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I love leadership, laughs (and yes) libations.  I also love learning.  Although I've been in leadership roles for over 30 years, I love talking to leaders that are in the trenches and learning what works, what doesn't and what I can do differently.

This podcast is for everyone out there that is working to lead better, get more done and leave a legacy.  Leading others is a deliberative act and we can always get better.

Pop yourself open a cold one, sit back and enjoy!

You can get more information on me at www.unconventionalleader.com.

Jan 24, 2022

She's been a Pastor, a Vice-President and President of a College and now is the Assistant to the Bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America for Executive Administration.  Her name?  Louise Johnson.  

From my first meeting with Louise a little over a month ago, I knew that she was the kind of leader I could...


Jul 27, 2021

Stories are the cornerstone of civilization.  They are how we transmit norms and learn how to get along.  They are also how we can heal.  There are few things as meaningful or therapeutic as sharing one's story.

On this episode I get to share in my guest's story and how she helps others share theirs in order to heal and...


Jul 2, 2021

This past year has required everyone in church to learn how to pivot...especially leadership.  In this interview with Pastor Matt Short, we talk about success stories that he's seen and what you can do in the next year to continue to show God's love.  (Hint....it has to do with some listening).  I got a lot from our...


Jun 9, 2021

Was this year a reset or a regress?  Regardless, it's never too late to start a new path.

On this episode, I talk with coach Jess Ruggieri.  This woman has got the goods!  One (of many) things I took from our time together is how dedication and consistency always provide results.  Take the time to do yourself a favor...


May 11, 2021

Have you ever been there?  Standing in front of a room and absolutely sure that the people you are briefing are going to figure out that you aren't qualified?  STOP IT!  YOU ARE!

On this episode, I had the great pleasure to talk with Kelli Thompson and we talk about imposter syndrome (among many other things).  What's...